gay marriage is a christian issue
yes, mr. super christian is rallying the 'onward christian soldiers' to pass a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.
his reason is sound, that the institution of marriage is between a man and woman. and, to have it be anything else would constitute a breach of god's divine plan.
hmmmmmmmm. sounds good to me. NOT.
quite simply, i don't think god created the institution of marriage nor did god ever think we would attach so much importance to such a man-made institution that is newer than ... well, its newer than the wheel.
while i agree that intimate relationships do, given the human exercise of choice in a world based on duality, provide an opportunity for perhaps the greatest growth of the individual, hence the collective. i do not think such a relationship must be one within 'matrimony' or between a man and a woman.
i know too many marriages that should not be and just as many committed or married gay couples that give me hope and inspiration in my own. personally, i get overwhelmed with joy and happiness when i see a gay couple who have either conceived or adopted their own children. for them to be able to teach such little ones how to be strong human beings that are self-accepting despite some of the greatest prejudice on the planet, well, its just inspiring to me.
i don't question whether gays should be allowed to get married, i question whether marriage is even something god would even condone. jesus didn't marry. hmmmmmmmm ......
anyone who wants to try to live in a committed relationship with another human being creates a better community for all of us. if people love each other, i think god is happy that they are together loving one another. and if they are loving each other and are happy, they are loving the other people around them. they are loving their communities and their planet ... and, to be honest, i am happy they are ... because if they are busy loving one another, they are busy loving themselves and people who love themselves tend not to use violence to resolve conflicts.
i like that ... the way to peace ... in a nut shell.
peace & harmony,
elaine
'freedom must be exercised to stay in shape!'
his reason is sound, that the institution of marriage is between a man and woman. and, to have it be anything else would constitute a breach of god's divine plan.
hmmmmmmmm. sounds good to me. NOT.
quite simply, i don't think god created the institution of marriage nor did god ever think we would attach so much importance to such a man-made institution that is newer than ... well, its newer than the wheel.
while i agree that intimate relationships do, given the human exercise of choice in a world based on duality, provide an opportunity for perhaps the greatest growth of the individual, hence the collective. i do not think such a relationship must be one within 'matrimony' or between a man and a woman.
i know too many marriages that should not be and just as many committed or married gay couples that give me hope and inspiration in my own. personally, i get overwhelmed with joy and happiness when i see a gay couple who have either conceived or adopted their own children. for them to be able to teach such little ones how to be strong human beings that are self-accepting despite some of the greatest prejudice on the planet, well, its just inspiring to me.
i don't question whether gays should be allowed to get married, i question whether marriage is even something god would even condone. jesus didn't marry. hmmmmmmmm ......
anyone who wants to try to live in a committed relationship with another human being creates a better community for all of us. if people love each other, i think god is happy that they are together loving one another. and if they are loving each other and are happy, they are loving the other people around them. they are loving their communities and their planet ... and, to be honest, i am happy they are ... because if they are busy loving one another, they are busy loving themselves and people who love themselves tend not to use violence to resolve conflicts.
i like that ... the way to peace ... in a nut shell.
peace & harmony,
elaine
'freedom must be exercised to stay in shape!'
posted by elaine x at 1:44 AM
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I do agree that politicians need to separate their religious beliefs on this issue and actually look at the "why" marriage is defined the way it is. I heard something this morning that really got me thinking. There are a lot of rights that marriage bestows such as granting citizenship if a person from another country marries a U.S. citizen. Not that naturalizing spouses should become the new issue, but let's open up the conversation to reasoned philosophical discourse and stop hiding behind so-called American religious standards.
Should be allowed to get married indeed! It sounds horrid! Whatever happened to free will? When one man (only men think up these mad laws) propose this foolishness, he forgets to see the whole picture. What shocking arrogance! "We are so tiny in the scheme of things" is overused but people just ignor that fact. Take comfort in "The Universe in Forty Leaps" here http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=372 and educate another person. Life will find way. Thank you, beautiful American.
anton, you are so right. separation on this issue is critical. marriage is a human construct that has evolved with the societies' taboos, judgments and perceptions. what 'god' says about marriage or human relationships ... definitely the "C"hristians have no clue what god says, they don't even think the 10 commandments apply to them. i say, look to nature. there are plants and animals who take life-long partners, some who have as many as possible; some even have same sex relationships; and others are celibate or self-procreating. that always makes me think that we don't need to worry about god's design for anyone else but ourselves ... and that we just need to love ourselves as best we can and then love one another like jesus taught us.
peace & harmony,
elaine
'freedom must be exercised to stay in shape!'
nigeria ...
thank you so much! = )
the 40 leaps ... reminds me of the "children" books by istvan banyai ... 'zoom' and 'rezoom' ... we love those books.
life is definitely finding a way through our small hatching minds and hearts.
peace & harmony,
elaine
'freedom must be exercsied to stay in shape!'
http://www.bibleufo.com/gospel.htm
I found this and got some more education
It began here "This work is not about aliens, or extraterrestrials, satanic or otherwise.
This work does not claim the Gods are aliens."
http://www.bibleufo.com/index.htm
I think it would be hilarious if the Xtian's fabled rapture did occur...and they all woke up one morning to discover all the gays, lesbians, poor, disenfranchised...in short everyone not on their "A-List" just magically weren't there. Do you think they'd "get it" even then? I doubt it...
Peace.
Problem with this, is that marriage, as generally understood, is a religious union and the ceremony is carried out under the auspices of a religious organisation. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for equality before the law for all individuals, but it seems to me that it’s up to the religious organisations to decide if they want to administer what for them is a sacred ceremony.
Of course, I fully support full legal partnerships between same sex couples and that’s something I can vote for as in a democracy the law is something that is within my power to change. But in calling for all same sex couples to have a right to a religious ceremony (although I don’t think anyone’s done that here) we run the risk to telling others what to believe and this, as I’m sure you’ll agree, is unacceptable.
If a certain group of individuals believe that homosexuality is incompatible with their theology (however daft that might be) there’s no one in the world with the right to force them to change that belief.
On the other hand, any law that prohibits same sex marriage is cosmically stupid and unenforceable.
You are of course absolutely correct in what you say about the magnificent possibilities of intimate relationships and as an atheist I do wonder what all this fuss with marriage is about. Apparently you can be quite happy and devoted without it, or so the rumour goes!
great point ... and i completely agree ... if the baptist don't want to marry gay folks, well, that's ok with me ... so long as its ok with their 'flock' ... i love the debate happening in the episcopalian church ... i think its healthy and it is definitely their decision to make ... and its the dialogue that i am truly thankful. with dialogue you can unmask prejudice and hatred and, sometimes even, insecurity and start to heal the source.
why its a christian issue for me is that jesus taught us to 'love one another' and frankly, don't care about any one else's life ... just do your thing. and it was peter he had to keep reminding to just do that ... and since peter=church, i understand why the church has so many problems understanding love and just doing what jesus taught.
and i totally agree with the democratic process and the 'civil' aspect of the debate. and, except for the "Christian" judgment that it is "wrong," i honestly do not believe we would be having the debate in the 'public' forum, let alone constitutional amendment votes in our senate.
thanks for your very right on point comments.
peace & harmony,
elaine
'freedom must be exercised to stay in shape!'
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